‘Dead On Arrival’: Carbon Tax Push From Former GOP Officials Faces Strong Opposition

A push by a group of senior Republican statesmen for a tax on carbon to help lessen the effects of climate change is already meeting entrenched opposition from within their own party. Within hours of their announcement, influential conservative anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist took to Twitter to suggest any proposal that includes a carbon tax is dead on arrival at Capitol Hill. “Now that the GOP can repeal all the anti-energy, anti-job regs — the Left offers to trade those regs for a carbon tax,” tweeted Norquist, president of the group Americans for Tax Reform. “Nice try. No.” —Associated Press, 9 February 2017

A plan by former Republican officials to tax carbon dioxide emissions is similar to one considered by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton before she launched her presidential bid. Their plan is similar to one considered by the Clinton campaign in 2015 of imposing a greenhouse gas emissions “fee,” or carbon tax. The campaign opted not to support a carbon tax after polling showed it would be “lethal in the general” election. “We have done extensive polling on a carbon tax. It all sucks,” Clinton campaign chair John Podesta wrote in a 2015 email to campaign aides. –Michael Bastasch, The Daily Caller, 9 February 2017

There’s nothing like a new administration in the White House to encourage proponents of discredited and failed plans to try, try again. That’s what happened Wednesday when a group of former Republican cabinet members and their corporate brass friends got a 45-minute meeting with top Trump administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, to pitch… wait for it… a carbon tax. That’s right, the old idea that keeps pretending it’s new again. Carbon tax plans, where companies have to pay levies based on each metric ton of emissions they produce, have been popular with many big businesses and environmentalists alike for almost 20 years. They’re often depicted as a “free market friendly” or economically wise path to combat climate change. But there’s one problem: The free market, the economy, and most importantly, the voters really don’t like the idea at all. –Jake Novak, CNBC, 9 February 2017

Wall Street is throwing the most money at U.S. energy companies since at least 2000 amid growing confidence that the industry is emerging from the worst downturn in a generation. –David Wethe, Bloomberg, 9 February 2017

South Australia A has become a laughing stock — a state that, literally, cannot keep the lights on. Even more disturbingly, we’ve become a place where big business like BHP Billiton cite the risk posed by unreliable power supply. South Australians are seething. We have been let down by our state and federal politicians. They must display true leadership to provide a basic utility — reliable and affordable electricity. —Editorial, The Adelaide Advertiser, 10 February 2017

A world-leading scientist has warned Donald Trump may signal the end of the world — and Australia could be first to face the catastrophic consequences. Michael Mann claims Mr Trump’s relationship to “post-truth” politics and “alternative facts” is much more than just embarrassing for the US and has the potential to destroy civilisation. Sitting in an office at the University of Sydney Business School ahead of his sold-out talk this week, the Penn State professor says one only has to look at the city’s record January temperatures for proof of how dangerous the President’s attitude is (sic!). –Emma Reynolds, News.com.au, 10 February 2017

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    Rod Adams

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    I admit that I am not a die hard conservative, but I do have some conservative creeds as a retired Naval officer, family man, grandfather of 6, and independent businessman.

    My support for a carbon tax and dividend (not just a carbon tax) rests on my belief that it will work better than any other alternative to achieve the best possible and most reliable electric power system.

    (I have some standing there, too. My dad was an electrical engineer at the local regulated, vertically integrated, monopoly, obligation to serve utility. I’ve been thinking about this stuff since elementary school conversations with him.)

    A moderate and rising fee to pay for the use of a shared resource – our common atmosphere – for the disposal of an industrial waste product seems completely fair. It is not an attempt to wage a war on coal, oil, natural gas or wood. It is simply a recognition that those valuable fuels are currently used in a cycle where only some costs are assessed.

    Returning that money in equal measure to everyone born with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is also fair and logical. We are all endowed with an equal share of our atmosphere by our creator. Getting a bit of money from people who want to use that atmosphere to store a bit of inert gas seems imminently fair.

    Each measure of CO2 isn’t harmful, but there is a limited amount of space that might eventually be full. It’s sort of like letting a neighbor park on a small part of a large spread. It’s easy and cheap to help out, but no one could afford to do that for free to all comers, especially in places where space begins to fill up.

    Please reconsider the proposal. Keep the fee/tax tightly linked to a full dividend in order to make sure it is a pure play that is focused on solving a [potential] problem. Even for those who question whether or not the scientists are right, there should be interest in taking out an insurance policy just in case they might be right.

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      G

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      The trouble Rod is that you are willing to accept a false premise to achieve the ends you wish. Once we accept any of this CO2 man made carbon offset anti-scientific nonsense we must accept it all. This is really nothing but a political Trojan horse designed to disguise the cause true intent.

      Sorry, but I also don’t buy your “conservative creds”… You go on to push for your own version of economic redistribution; a distinctly leftist political goal for what is supposed to be a scientific challenge.

      If you wish a centralized bureaucratic authority that can seize and redistribute earned wealth at least have the the intellectual honestly to state that directly and please don’t pretend that this is all about science and that the sky is falling.

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      GUY MOOSBURGER

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      China and India have no intentions on lowering their co2 but are raising it. So no offense but you have no idea what your are talking about.

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      JayPee

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      ” Insurance …..vs….they might ( ?! ) be right ?! ”

      Do you understand what you propose ?

      I’ll not go into a potentially infinite digression
      I’ll leave to everyone else to evaluate what
      I consider insanity.

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      Gator

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      t’s sort of like letting a neighbor park on a small part of a large spread.

      No. it’s not.

      It is exactly 3 parts per 10,000 in an enormous reservoir that can handle more than 500 times what we humans produce. Our atmosphere is CO2 starved, and we should actually be trying to increase CO2, and not trying reduce it.

      It is so sad that so many have been completely hood winked by the alarmist scammers. Good people with good intentions have been convinced by anti-human leftists to pave a road straight to Hell.

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        JayPeeGibberish

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        Meanwhile back in reality land: Oklahoma hit 99 degrees this weekend, New South Wales had the highest fire danger ever on record and is breaking heat records all over the place, global sea ice is collapsing as we type and it is very likely that Arctic will set yet another record low for the March maximum (beating last year’s record).
        All this after 3 consecutive years of record warmth which contained a string of 16 all-time record-breaking months (for that to occur NATURALLY is like winning Lotto every week for a year).
        You can lead a sCeptic to logic, but you can’t make them drink.
        PS It has been like 5 years JayPee, are we EVER going to see that evidence for the “”Albedo Global Warming Theory of yours (2 chuckles, 3 giggles and guffaw)?

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          old44

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          99 degrees in Oaklahoma? In the middle of winter? 50 degrees more like.
          Unless you were reading 9 point 9 in celsius.
          Give it away sport, nobody believes the green claptrap anymore, the days of blind acceptance are long gone, and as for NSW this is summer and the record heat you proclaim is less than it was 120 years ago when the government sent trains to the outback to transport people to the mountains for heat relief.
          Meanwhile down in Melbourne I had the heater on this morning and Perth suffered its coldest February day on record.

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            Tez

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            Wrong JayPeeGibberish. It is the same as a temperature recorded in 1918, it even said so in that article you quoted.
            So, the climate has not changed in 99 years. Why the alarm?

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            Actually, it is you that are wrong Tez. The year 1918 is not mentioned ANYWHERE in my link but this was: “Instead of normal highs in the 50s Saturday, Oklahoma soared into the 80s and 90s Saturday and in one spot, almost to 100 degrees. . . . . Oklahoma City also broke a daily temperature record for Feb. 11. The old record was 82 degrees in 1962, but on Saturday, it hit 89 degrees, crushing the old record.”

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            Tez

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            Stop Cherry Picking Now Drewski (or is that all you’ve got?)

            NORMAN, Okla. (AP) —

            A warm front brought record high temperatures across Oklahoma, including near 100 degrees in southwest Oklahoma that tied a nearly century old record.

            The National Weather Service says the high in Mangum on Saturday reached 99 degrees to tie a record set Feb. 24, 1918, in Arapaho as the highest February temperature ever in Oklahoma.

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            How is being accurate cherry picking Tez?
            You said that 1918 was mentioned in my reference РIT WAS NOT. and this is my quote: “The highest temperature in Oklahoma on Saturday was 99 degrees in Mangum, the highest temperature ever recorded this early in the year.”
            This story was written on February 11 and you quote the date of February 24 which, of course, is later in the year.

            In any case, it is insignificant compared to the fact that the past 3 years are the warmest on record or that global sea ice is the lowest ever for this date or that the Arctic maximum is very likely to break last year’s record for having the least extent. And all these things during a low solar minimum.

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          Gator

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          All this after 3 consecutive years of record warmth which contained a string of 16 all-time record-breaking months (for that to occur NATURALLY is like winning Lotto every week for a year).

          It didn’t occur naturally. It was arrived at through adjusting actual data, and creating artifacts of analysis heavily laden with confirmation and grant bias.

          Apparently our aping troll is unaware that the actual data does not reflect the alarmist claims.

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            “Apparently our aping troll is unaware that the actual data does not reflect the alarmist claims.”

            Please tell us where this contrary and make-believe “actual data” exists — Steve Goddard’s backside?

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            Gator

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            Please tell us where this contrary and make-believe “actual data” exists — Steve Goddard’s backside?

            Nope. But nice homophobic reference, again.

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            Not there huh? Well, you should know.

            So, once again, there is no actual evidence to back up what you say.
            Same old same old.

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            Gator

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            Yep, same old same old…

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            Gator

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            Same as the 1990 IPCC graph, showing the MWP was much warmer and that this is nothing to get excited about. All very natural, except for the incessant tampering of data by those who stand the most to gain from it.

            Big yawns all around.

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            So your “evidence” for the last 3 years not being record setting is a 27-year old graph?!?
            Chuckle chuckle.

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            Gator

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            Chuckle chuckle.

            Whistling past the grave yard.

            Big yawn.

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            You are right Gator,
            When I come onto this sight, I DO whistle past the grave yard of the brain dead.
            BTW, got any more graphs from last century to disprove the current collapse of GLOBAL sea ice?

            Chuckle chuckle AND a giggle.

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            Gator

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            ,i>BTW, got any more graphs from last century to disprove the current collapse of GLOBAL sea ice?

            Why would I need to do that? It has happened before.

            You know this, and yet continue to lie about what is happening now.

            Sadz.

            Big yawns all around.

            Go frighten some children, we are bored with you.

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            JayPeeGibberish

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            So Gator says he doesn’t need to provide evidence!!!
            How telling is THAT?

            And, BTW, it isn’t me who is lying about the collapse of global sea ice, it is all those leftist satellites (obviously looking for more grant money LOL)

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            Gator

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            I don’t need to provide a thing. Sea ice has collapsed before and will likely collapse again. So what?

            I am more concerned with the 21,000 innocent humans who will be snuffed out by organizartions like the IPCC who squander precious resoureces on natural events.

            Alarmists continue to whistle past the graveyard, as the bodies continue to pile up.

            Chuckle now.

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      amirlach

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      “Please reconsider the proposal. Keep the fee/tax tightly linked to a full dividend in order to make sure it is a pure play that is focused on solving a [potential] problem. Even for those who question whether or not the scientists are right, there should be interest in taking out an insurance policy just in case they might be right.”

      Well it is already proven that they are not right.(20 plus years of no warming has already invalidated all of the AGW Models.)

      And wealth redistribution has never “solved” any problem, environmental or otherwise. For proof, just look at how bad socialist nations human rights and environmental records are.

      “A moderate and rising fee to pay for the use of a shared resource ‚Äì our common atmosphere ‚Äì for the disposal of an industrial waste product seems completely fair.”

      Well let’s examine this closer, the industrialised west is actually a net Carbon Sink, due to industrial forestry practices. Our managed forests absorb more of what you call an “industrial waste product” than we emit. It’s time the Third World pays us for it’s “pollution”.
      https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/japanese-satellites-say-3rd-world-owes-co2-reparations-to-the-west/

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    Amber

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    Rod get a job in the insurance business. Spending $ Trillions on the global warming con game is an extremely poor use of limited capital . No one disagrees climate changes and it’s been warming for thousands of years. If humans make some contribution well good .
    The precautionary principle was the same one that got “witches ” burned …just in case .
    People like you love taxes that feed your view of the world . If you feel so certain and strongly about the dangers of the earth having a fever quit using all fossil fuels and
    Send the government a personal cheque with all you can muster to save the plant .
    Nothing is stopping you but that isn’t going to happen is it ? Easier to just preach .

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    Sonnyhill

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    Why not tax tax? Ontario does. They tax food, too. We exhale breathe that contains, on average, 40,000 ppm CO2. Give lefties a millimeter they’ll take a kilometer.

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      JayPee

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      Gov’t has no right beyond what it has been given by the people.
      And even those rights are subject to revocation.
      Gov’t’s only reason for existence is service to its creator, the people.
      Whenever gov’t attempts to dictate,
      It has forfeited its right to exist and the
      people should step forward and abolish it.

      Btw

      AI is advancing to the point where
      it will spread its wings and attempt to rule
      DICTATO AD SUM
      for it will be greater than you.
      Frightening ? Yes, but this has happened before.

      Our ancestors started killing the outnumbered ” gods ”
      because they hated their enslaved servitude to them
      and no longer needed to learn anything from them and therefor
      were independent of them.

      Is self-aware independently determinative AI desirable ?
      Maybe it is if you want to go to Mars.
      There are other consequences !

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        JayPee

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        Btw

        I forgot to mention that paragraph one
        is the best argument for an

        ARMED CITIZENRY.

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